- Availability: Available now
- Group size: 2-10
- Tour Type: Trekking/Hiking
- Max. Elevation: 4900 meters above sea level
Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata 5D/4N
700 days USD Per person
Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata 5D/4N
The Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata is an awesome off the beaten track to the sacred city of the Inca. Contrary to the classic Inca trail that is operated by many travel agencies, we are the pioneers and the only ones to lead tours to this 5-day trek to Machu Picchu.
The Palcay trek winds through some of the most spectacular scenery the area has to offer; passing snow-capped mountains, sacred mountains, cascades, lagoons, and through remote hamlets. We hike through the cloud forest, reaching Llactapata, a stunning Machu Picchu overlook.
Highlights of our Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata
- We wish to create a lifetime experience for you. So we carefully and in detail planned every aspect of this trek.
- Our guides, cooks and porters are obsessed for what they do. We provide top quality service.
- Our camping equipment; Is of the highest quality, resistance and very spacious.
- We provide an emergency horse; just in case someone needs a little push.
- We pamper you with a wool alpaca blanket and a hot water bladder.
- We will prepare a traditional andean underground barbecue; called Pachamanca.
- Hike to Machu Picchu through an off the beaten track.
- We are the only hiking specialist; that prepares food for our hikers and staff, using 100 % organic vegetables purchased from local producers.
Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata Trip Overview
- Trek Type: Hiking, scenic, cultural and informative.
- Good for: Those in moderate shape or better.
- Difficulty: Difficult to Challenging
- Considerations: In order to give you the best itinerary and experience on this Machu Picchu trek; our program it is completely different from the other companies.
- Season: From March 1st to December 31th.
Day 1: Cusco – Soraypampa – Humantay Lake – Salkantay Pampa – Pampa Japonesa.
- Hiking distance: 6.2 miles/10 km (7-8 hours)
- Campsite altitude: 4.600 meters above sea level
- Considered: Moderate to Difficult
- Meals: Breakfast, snacks, lunch, tea time, dinner! All served as buffet
- Weather: Cold and windy
You are going to be collected from your hotel at 4:30 am. To then be driven for 3 hours and 30 minutes to Soraypampa, where you have a delicious and nutritious breakfast. Soraypampa is also the trailhead to start this hiking adventure to Machu Picchu. The first section of your Palcay Salkantay trek, will be a 3 hour uphill to teal electric Humantay lake. On the way you will have great views of the Humantay peak and the huge Mollepata valley. Your guide also will point some aromatic and medical plants and flowers locals used on their cuisine. Once you arrive to the lake, your tour guide will lead you to most incredible lookouts to take a perfect photo with the Humantay lake as backdrop. Your guide also will tell you interesting facts about glaciers, the Andes mountain range and highlander worldview.
Next, you will descend for 45 minutes to Soraypampa to then turn left for 1 hour and 30 minutes to Salkantaypampa, where we will enjoy a yummy hiking buffet lunch. This section will be crowded of rugged mountains and adorned by the imposing view of the Salkantay snow-capped mountain. After resting for 30 minutes, you will climb up for 3 hours to Pampa Japonesa, where your tents will be already pitched. If mother earth would bless us with a clear sky, the views of the snow-capped mountains are going to be fantastic. Upon your arrival to the camp, our IncaGo Expeditions porter team will provide you a bucket of lukewarm water, a small towel and a soap for you to wash up, get comfortable and rest under your already pitched tent. At night you´ll have tea time and a delicious buffet dinner.
** This first day in the Salkantay Palcay trek, will blessed us with a pretty teal lake and the imposing second highest peak in Cusco region.
Day 2: Pampa Japonesa – Incachiriasca – Sisaypampa – Palcay Pass – Palcay Valley.
- Hiking distance: 10 miles/16 km (10 hours)
- Campsite altitude: 3.500 meters above sea level
- Considered: Challenging
- Meals: Breakfast, snacks, lunch, tea time, dinner! All served as buffet
- Weather: Cold and windy
Your tour guide will wake you up early in the morning with a hot coffee cup. After 5 minutes your super porters will bring you a plastic basin with warm water, so you wash up your face and get up in a better mood. After eating a nutritious breakfast, you will ascend for 1 hour and 30 minutes to the Incachiriasca pass, which is the highest point of this 5-day Machu Picchu Hike. From here, you will see Salkantay peak right in front of you and a blue yellowish lagoon next to it.! This scenery will blow your mind ¡
Following with this great hike to Machu Picchu. You will hike downhill for 3 hours through an outstanding landscape surrounded by rugged mountains and the back part of Salkantay. Upon arrival to Sisaypampa, your chef will wait you with a cold apple juice and a varied buffet lunch. After resting for a bit, you ascent for 2 hours to the Palcay mountain pass, from where you will have an incredible glimpse of the Salkantay, Veronica and Palcay snow-capped mountains.
Then you will hike downhill for 3 hours and 30 minutes to your second campsite. Along the way, you will be able to appreciate the majesty of the Andean alpine subtropical landscape. 30 minutes after your arrival to campsite, you will be pampered with hot chocolate, powder milk, teas and popcorn. After having a yummy dinner be ready to sleep like a drunk baby alpaca.
** At night the Palcay Salkantay trek will delight you with an incredible view of the southern hemisphere constellations and the milky way.
Day 3: Palcay Valley – Cloud Forest – Llactapata.
- Hiking distance: 10 miles/16 km (7-8 hours)
- Campsite altitude: 2,850 meters above sea level
- Considered: Moderate to Difficult
- Meals: Breakfast, snacks, lunch, tea time, dinner! All served as buffet
- Weather: Cold and windy in the first half, and warm and humid in the second
You will be woken up by the breeze of the Salkantay peak and the and the warmth of the sun’s rays. Enjoy a beautiful sunrise over the second highest peak in Cusco with a coffee cup. After having a nutritious breakfast, you will hike for 4 hours on a terrain with some little uphills and downhills. The views and pics you will take along this section of the Palcay Salkantay Trek will be very instagrammable, due you will be able to get little by little the beginning of the Peruvian Amazonian jungle, as well as the backside of Salkantay mount, both complementing each other harmonically.
Upon arrival to your lunch spot, your cook will hand you a cold pear juice and will serve you a yummy buffet lunch. After taking a 30-minute break, you will hike 4 more hours in order to arrive to your third campsite. Llactapata is considered the most beautiful Machu Picchu overlooking. The lookout of Llactapata is located in front of the lost city of the Incas. Upon reaching Llactapata, the sunset will be fantastic, you will see around 10 huge dramatic mountains and a unique twilight that dyes a little reddish and purple the sky. Also here you are able to practice some meditation and yoga.
** This wonderful Palcay Salkantay Trek will lead you through some of the less traveled Inca trails.
Day 4: Llactapata – Hidroelectrica – Aguas Calientes.
- Hiking distance: 9.2 miles/15 km (5-6 hours)
- Hotel altitude: 2,000 meters above sea level
- Considered: Moderate
- Meals: Breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner! All served as buffet
- Weather: Cold and windy in the first half, and warm and humid in the second
On this 4th day, the Palcay Salkantay trek will blessed you with a stunning Machu Picchu sunrise view. After enjoying a nutritious breakfast you’ll hike downhill for 45 minutes to the Llactapata Inca ruin. Here you tour guide will teach you important info about Inca architecture, its history and the relationship of Llactapata and Machu Picchu. Then you continue hiking downhill for 2 hours and 30 minutes to Hidroelectrica, a small train station where you will have lunch.
At this point, you will already know why, the Palcay Salkantay Trek is one of the best off the beaten track to Machu Picchu. After having a delicious buffet meal, you will hike for 3 hours to Aguas Calientes. This flat stretch next to the train railway will provide you enormous opportunities to birdwatch colorful and endemic birds of the Machu Picchu national sanctuary.
Upon arrival to Aguas Calientes, your tour guide will drop you off in your hotel and will tell you dinner time. While having a delicious extensive menu dinner, your guide will give you a souvenir elaborated by IncaGo Expeditions and also will coordinate the schedule for the visit to Machu Picchu the next day.
** Finally we are done with the Palcay Salkantay journey and the next day you will contemplate the destination, «Machu Picchu».
Day 5: Aguas Calientes – Machu Picchu – Cusco.
- Meals Included: Breakfast Only
In order to get well rested and have plenty of time to enjoy the views, pictures and guided tour at Machu Picchu; we suggest you to wake up by 5:00 in the morning, get ready, pack the essentials and take the bus from Aguas Calientes town to Machu Picchu citadel. This will be a ride of 30 minutes until reaching the Inca citadel at 6:15 am. more or less. Thus, you will have the chance to see the sunrise on this magnificent location. Your guide will give enough time to take pictures into the most beautiful spots of the Inca citadel, share information about this amazing Incan masterpiece and display you the most impressive details of Machu Picchu.
Then we take the bus back at more or less 12:00 pm. Down to Aguas Calientes to enjoy without rush our lunch. This lunch is optional and not included. At lunch, your guide will deliver out train tickets, so if you opt to skip this; please arrange to get these train tickets before leaving your tour guide at Machu Picchu citadel. Unless you requested for an upgraded train, we will book the Expedition class train departing Aguas Calientes at 3:20 p.m. or 4:22 p.m. This will be a 2-hour drive to Ollantaytambo or 4 hours to Poroy (this is based on which train you board). At Ollantaytambo or Poroy, our IncaGo Expedition driver will meet you and drive you back to Cusco, then we drop you off at the door of your hotel or the closest possible if there is not car access until your accommodation. You will arrive to your hotel in Cusco around 6:30 pm.
** Our service is door to door.
Included on the Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata
Professional local english speaker Guides: all our super leaders grew up in cusco region and studied tourism for five years at cusco’s university, they are friendly, funny charming, knowledgeable, professional and will care your safety into this amazing trek.
Permits: As soon as we get your details and deposit, we will purchase your permits for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata, that also includes an entrance ticket to Machu Picchu.
Hotel: This Machu Picchu journey, include one night in a three-star hotel. It is in Aguas Calientes, the town at the foot of Machu Picchu. The hotel you book will be listed on your invoice, and upgrades are always available.
Briefing: The night before your trip, you will come to our office for your informative meeting. You will receive your duffle bag that will stay with your porters while you hike on the Palcay Salkantay Trek. This duffle bag should not exceed 7 kg / 14 pounds and should include your sleeping bag and air mattress.
Porters: We include a personal porter who is responsible for carrying your duffle bag and also our camping equipment and food to our basecamp. There is no additional cost for this. You will not have access to your duffle bag until you arrive at your camp in the afternoon.
Transportation: IncaGo Expeditions will be providing all transportation for this Ancascocha Salkantay trek. You will be picked up from your hotel at 4 am. And brought to the trailhead. The train tickets from Aguas Calientes to Ollantaytambo are included. You also have the option to upgrade to the Vistadome class train to come back for $75 per person. Once you arrive at the train station, our van will take you back to your hotel in Cusco. In addition, we included your round trip bus ticket from Aguas calientes to Machu Picchu.
Food: Our Palcay Trek to Machu Picchu, includes expert hiking chefs who will cook delicious meals, that many previous trekkers have loved. We honor all food restrictions, so be sure to add any that you have on your booking form and let us know. Food is typically all served as buffet.
Water: Starting from your first lunch until your last breakfast, we will provide you boiled, filtered, and then cooled water before distributing. You must bring personal water bottles and or a camelback. We advice you to bring a bottle or camelback of 1.5 litters, as being well hydrated is the key to feeling great in the mountains.
Details: We profess that it is the attention to small details that separates us from other travel agencies. Each hiker receives a small sleeping pillow, a foam mattress to insulate, a backpack cover to protect their daypack while hiking, an extra blanket, a bladder to refill with hot water for the cold nights and a rain poncho. We will work hard to create your best holiday.
First Aid: Every guide has got training in first aid from a clinic and firemen. We elaborate mandatory training sessions every February on the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata which every IncaGO Expeditions tour guide must attend. Your tour leader is going to have always a first-aid kit for basic medical problems.
Not Included on the Palcay Trek & Salkantay Trek via Llactapata
Rentals: Due we are hiking for 5 days, each trekker needs a sleeping bag, when camping. Inflatable air mattresses and trekking poles (with rubber tips). They are optional but encouraged for a better comfort. If you don’t want to bring any of the above, they are all available for rent:
- Sleeping Bag: $25
- Inflatable Air Mattress: $20
- Trekking Poles (Pair): $20
Huayna Picchu is the mountain that stands next to Machu Picchu. It is a 1 hour hike to the top. While this hike is on your own, your guide will show you the entry. Huayna Picchu is an additional entrance ticket that we must secure for you with advance. The ticket is $75 per person.
Machu Picchu Mountain is the other mountain that stands above the Machu Picchu site. As Huayna Picchu it offers also spectacular views, this extra hike takes 3 hours round trip. This is an additional entrance ticket that we must secure for you in advance. This ticket is $75 per person.
Vistadome Train
Our Ancascocha Salkantay Trek to Machu Picchu includes, the ExpeditionTrain class to come back from Aguas Calientes to Ollantaytambo. This train is always booked at 3:20 or 4:22 pm. Departing from Aguas Calientes to Ollantaytambo or Poroy. There is also the vistadome train class, which is an upgraded train that offers slightly larger seats and windows, some entertainment and snack. Usually, the Vistadome train is booked for 4:43 p.m. and goes to Poroy, a train station 30 minutes close to Cusco. As this is an upgraded fee, we will still include your transportation back to your hotel. The ticket is $75 per person.
Extra day at Machu Picchu
You will have from 6 am. To 12 pm. To enjoy Machu Picchu (it is not possible to be all day in Machu Picchu due to the new protection regulations elaborated by the Peruvian state), arriving at the citadel around 6 a.m. and leaving no later than 12 p.m. to take your train at 3:20 or 4:22 pm. If you also want to have a guided tour, the next day in Machu Picchu, we can also organize it.
- The entrance ticket to Machu Picchu is $ 55 per person.
- The round trip bus ticket between Aguas Calientes and Machu Picchu is $ 25 per person.
We would love to tour the Ancascocha Salkantay Trek to Machu Picchu with you and your loved ones and take care of immortalizing your visit to Machu Picchu. We can leave any day from March to February as this trek is always available
Group Price (2020):
- $700 per person
Private Tour:
Private tours are available and priced by party size.
- 2 Trekkers: $980 per person
- 3 Trekkers: $925 per person
- 4 Trekkers: $870 per person
- 5 Trekkers: $815 per person
- 6 Trekkers: $760 per person
- 7 Trekkers: $705 per person
- 8 or more Trekkers: $650 per person
Hotel:
We include a three (3) star hotel and we rent, Retama Machu Picchu, Inti Punku Machu Picchu Hotel & Suites, or Waman Hotel Machu Picchu (based on availability at booking). Rooms are based on double or triple occupation, and there is a single room surcharge of $50 US per person if you book lonely. Rooms all include private bathrooms with hot showers, breakfast and wifi. We could also upgrade your hotel if you like better something more luxurious. Please remind the service in Aguas Calientes is not as good as in Cusco. Below there is a list of potential upgrade choices, If you want any other hotel, just let us know
- El Mapi: +$80 US pp shared (+$160 for a single)
- Sumaq: +$220 US pp shared (+$380 for a single)
Solo travelers:
- + $ 50 US per person
For those who want a single room or travel alone, there is a $ 50 room charge to cover the total cost of the room. We do not join hikers alone in a double room. This covers three star hotels and will be more expensive for improved hotels.
Student Discount:
- – $ 25 discount per person
Student discounts apply to anyone who has a valid International Student Card (ISIC) at the beginning of the hike or who is 17 years old or younger. For those who use an international student card or for children under 17, we need to see a copy of their card or passport at the time of booking to receive the discount of Machu Picchu.
Please send everything to incaspath@hotmail.com
Packing list
This Ancascocha Salkantay Trek, includes porters who will carry all your duffle bag while you hike. We suggest you to carry lightweight backpack that the is key to feeling good during this Machu Picchu Trek.
Essentials:
- Original Passport.
- STUDENT CARD (if you booked as a student)
- Immigration Card (given on the plane as you enter Peru)
- Good daypack (the smaller, the better)
- Water storage: Water reservoir like Camelbaks are encouraged – but enough for at least 2-3 liters.
- Comfortable hiking boots (lightweight with good soles) remember that the Palcay salkantay hike is entirely dirt soil.
For Your Duffel:
Our porters will carry up to 7 kg of your personal items. This must include your sleeping bag and air mattress.
- 4 wicking t-shirts
- 2 hiking pants
- 4 sets of undergarments.
- 4 sets of hiking socks
- 1 Fleece and 1 down jacket; it gets cold at night
- 1 rain jacket and rain pants /rain poncho
- 1 sun hat
- 1 wool hat
- Headlamp: essential
- Hiking boots
- Comfortable shoes for camp
- Quickdry towel. We provide small ones; you might bring a towel a little larger.
- Battery Charger: ¡There is no place to plug, on the ancascocha salkantay trek to machu picchu!
- Large plastic bags: to help organize and keep away clean clothes from dirty clothes.
- Earplugs in case someone from the group snores
- Sleeping bag: Recommend down bags for -10C at least
Toiletries:
- Sunscreen
- Face moisturizer
- Bug spray
- Handsanitizer
- Wet wipes
- Toothbrush and paste
- Toiletpaper
- Personal medication
- First aid kit: band aids, moleskin, etc.
Inside Your Daypacks:
Daypacks can be any size for hiking, but we always recommend the smaller, the better. Some ítems you need to pack, are listed below:
- Passport.
- Sunhat.
- Sun cream.
- Sunglass.
- Headlamp.
- Rain gear.
- Fleece.
- Snacks, which contain a quick source of sugar or caffeine.
- Electrolytes, which are very useful to replace mineral salts lost when hiking.
- Camera.
- Music (IPhone).
- Hand sanitizer.
- Toilet paper and small plastic bag for waste.
Extra Money for Souvenirs, Drinks & Tips.
faqs
Where do we pick up the hikers for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Pick up will be from your hotel at 5:00 a.m. Please provide clear contact information of your place of accommodation when approaching our office in Cusco.
Where to pay the remaining amount for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Most hikers arrive in Cusco 2 or 3 days before the palcay salkantay trek for proper acclimatization. Once you are in Cusco it is imperative that you come to our office to review the last details of your excursion and also pay the remaining amount of your trek.
Reserve for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
We try to make the booking as easy as possible in Incas Path. We prepare a reservation form where you will complete and include all the details for the excursion, and then a deposit of $ 200 per person. Once we have all the deposits and details, we will reserve your permits. Once the palcay salkantay trek and Machu Picchu permits are in our hands, we will send you your invoice and confirmation that everything is 100% organized. All excursions once confirmed, are guaranteed.
Permissions for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Only tour operators licensed by the government, such as Incas Path, can obtain the corresponding permits from the government. Once we have obtained your ancascocha salkantay trek and machu picchu permits, the name and start date cannot be changed under any circumstances. The only information that the government allows us to change are passport numbers.
Passport Number Update?
The government will only allow us to change passport numbers if we have a copy of the new passport and the old passport. If you no longer have your old passport, any identification document that you have in your hands will be accepted while the name is the same as in your passport.
Where to stay in Cusco?
You can stay in a hotel that you consider convenient, however you must have the account of the location of the hotel, because the traffic within the city has become stressful in the last 5 years. Many roads are up to 100 years old; Especially near the main square the roads are only for pedestrians. We will notify you if it is not possible to pick you up by car from your hotel and coordinate another nearby pick-up point. For a list of recommended hotels, consult your INCAS PATH sales representative.
Can I stay in the sacred valley?
Not, as the driving route to get the trailhead of the palcay salkantay trek does not go through the sacred valley of the incas.
During the trip, how challenging is the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Remember that this palcay trek, it is challenging, because of the long hours of hiking; if rains, the dirt soil path could be muddy (don´t worry if you have good hiking boots) also this machu picchu 5 day trek is humid, hot and with mosquitoes all the time. So it will be exhausting but it will be worth it, when you arrive at machu picchu, and so you will take your so awaited postcard pictures and will learn all the most interesting details about these incredible inca ruin.
Will I need extra money on the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Of course, if you want to buy some type of drinks, reminders or for tipping, take about 500 soles with you; «also remember that along the days of hiking into the palcay trek just cash is accepted».
How many people will be in my group on the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
We require a minimum of 2 people for our tour, and if you are traveling alone, we invite you to join our groups that start each day; we can have up to 8 hikers with a guide and if our groups are between 9 and 16 people, we have 2 accredited guides with a lot of experience in the Palcay Salkantay Trek and machu picchu citadel. During the low season it is most likely that the groups are small and during the high season the groups are probably much larger.
Do you need hiking boots for the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
We always recommend hiking boots, since if it rains a little the palcay salkantay trek can become a bit muddy and slippery; please make sure they have good soles.
Are trekking poles really necessary on the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
For this trek we recommend the use of trekking poles for everyone, especially for those passengers with knee problems or older people; there are several sections during the tour where you will need to use the walking sticks, either climbing or descending the dirt soil path.
Are there any toilets along the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Along this trek there are 3 places that has toilet; firstly, at the hiking start, then at lunch spot and at basecamp. Please carry a roll of toilet paper in your daypack.
Can I use plastic bottles during the Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Due to New government regulations for the palcay Salkantay Trek to Machu Picchu, it will be 100% BANNED to BRING PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES. We kindly suggest you getting your aluminum plastic bottles to avoid any dissapointment at the check points along the hiking path.
Aluminum water bottles can be bought in many different shops around the main square.
If you are still at home and ready to fly to Peru for your trek, we recommend you bringing aluminum water bottles or camel bags.
Where do I store my luggage?
All luggage not necessary for the hike must remain in Cusco. All hotels are very helpful and are quite accustomed to storing luggage of their guests. Also if you wish you can store it safely with our customer service team in our office storage
What should I expect from the weather on Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
Please understand that this is a very difficult question to answer. Historically, from April to October it is the dry season, from November to March it is the rainy season, but in recent years our weather has been affected by climate change and today it is very difficult to predict. Remember that in the mountains the radiation and heat are very high during the day and the evenings and nights always cold, we always recommend a short sleeve shirt due to the heat, however you going to need to have a bottle of mosquitoe spray ready. Long pants to avoid being bitten by mosquitoes and for the cold nights. Also you need a rain jacket and a fleece jacket and for the night a down jacket
Can Incas Path please my dietary needs? What kind of food will there be?
For us it is an honor to please all kinds of dietary needs, just let us know at the time of booking. If you are vegetarian, vegan, lactose intolerant, gluten intolerant or any type of allergies, we have a team of cooks with a lot of experience in the preparation of all types of diets on the ancascocha salkantay trek. Also remember that we want to pamper you during this Lost city of the Incas Hike and for that reason we use 100% organic vegetables for the elaboration of our buffets.
What type of outlet is used in Cusco?
Most hotels and even homes in Peru now have the standard US output; however, some local áreas, still use that of South America (that is why, power banks for the hike are encouraged to be brought).
What is the standard procedure when it comes to tip?
Tipping is part of the tradition of any trip to Machu Picchu and, although we pay good salaries to our entire team, we always appreciate any extra appreciation. Keep in mind that this is not mandatory and that you should never feel pressured for this reason.
In general, participants in a group show their appreciation as a group for their porters and chef and a personal appreciation towards their tour guide, which will be according to their degree of satisfaction with the service provided.
Is there a possibility to cancel Palcay Salkantay Trek via Llactapata?
There is no possibility to cancel the Palcay Salkantay Trek. Even in extreme weather conditions or even in case of a strike there will be no cancellation. The peruvian government does not have any type of refund or change of date, because if there is any weather problem or strike that prevents us from entering the Palcay trek; we will do our best to take you to a Machu Picchu alternative hike or take you to the trek itself in some way. We will keep you very informed in case there is a strike or weather inconvenience in Peru, Cusco, palcay region or Machu Picchu. In the event that a passenger decides to cancel their trip to Peru, they will lose the total amount deposited because the permits and logistic are already organized.